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<dick_> guys .. my linksys pcmcia network/modem combo card is having hard time getting recognized under kernel 2.4(woody) .. it worked just fine with kernel 2.2*..pl help
<neil> giraffe: modprobe will also load additional modules required by the module you're modprobeing
<nevyn> genuinefafa: you should only comment out one resourse fore each label
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<sebras> every time I go irc I mean to solve my own problem but I always end up solving somebody elses... :-)
<genuinefafa> nevyn
<ndee> hey, what is the variable for the currently logged in user?
<genuinefafa> I have a little question, tho...
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<nevyn> genuinefafa: shoot
<sebras> guruman: u gone?
<genuinefafa> I have uncommented
<guruman> sebras: no
<genuinefafa> (IO 0 (SIZE 32) (BASE 0x0280) (CHECK))
<mbp> what's the name of the debian developers channel?
<deksels> ndee: user?
<genuinefafa> (INT 0 (IRQ 11 (MODE +E)))
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<nevyn> you must uncomment (ACT Y) near the bottom of the section
<sebras> guruman: Did /var/log/Xfree86.log mention anyting about XkbLayout?
<nevyn> mbp debian-devel
<ndee> deksels: the current user
<ndee> which is logged in
<mbp> nevyn ok :)
<genuinefafa> is that ok? that both lines must I uncomment?
<Metrix> i have a 2.2 kernel, would using a 2.4 kernel be faster?
<calyth> question: what package am i missing if x cannot find the default font of fixed?
<ndee> or can anyone explain me, why exim doesn't deliver my mail to /var/spool/mail/my_user_name
<nevyn> that looks good genuinefafa
<ndee> calyth: xbase-fonts
<ndee> I guess
<calyth> thanks
<ndee> np
<ndee> ;)
<deksels> ndee: what do you mean with 'current user'. The one owning a shellprocess?
<ndee> jup
<ndee> @deksels
<genuinefafa> ok, nevyn, done
<genuinefafa> :)
<genuinefafa> Now what shall I do?
<giraffe> Zomb: still there ?
<nevyn> genuinefafa: down near the bottom of the section for that card will be #(ACT Y) gotta uncomment that too
<Metrix> i have a 2.2 kernel, would using a 2.4 kernel be faster?
<nevyn> if you've got that
<d00d> Metrix: probably
<guruman> sebras: yes XkbLayout "se"
<Oryn> Metrix: the ide support is faster
<nevyn> press ctrl+x ctrl+w enter
<Zomb> giraffe: why?
<giraffe> Metrix: try it .. it's a shit load easier than i thought :)
<nevyn> then ctrl q
<Metrix> how much so?
<Metrix> for ata100
<giraffe> zomb ;)
<Metrix> noticibly?
<Zomb> giraffe: WHAT
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<giraffe> Zomb: about the new galeon ?
<deksels> ndee: well, i have a USER=xen MAIL=/var/spool/mail/xen etc etc
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<Zomb> giraffe: whats about that?
<nevyn> Metrix: are you using DMA already?
<genuinefafa> done :)
<guruman> sebras: but it also says custom keylayout disabled
<Metrix> no idea
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<genuinefafa> btw, I prefer vi \-)
<d00d> Metrix: but the most important is that you build linux with the least needed options and optimised for your subarch
<billh> What's the package name for the thing that brings up the Debian logo at login ?
<genuinefafa> now, what?
<guruman> sebras: code .. not layout ..
<d00d> giraffe: it's great
<nevyn> genuinefafa: isapnp /target/etc/isapnp.conf
<Oryn> Metrix: not sure now, but when it first came out it was much faster
<neil> Metrix: in some areas 2.4 performs better than 2.2. it certainly has more/better USB support
<giraffe> d00d: was it you that recommended the site ?
<giraffe> d00d: i thought it was zomb :)
<ndee> hm... my MAIL is empty, shall I re-export it?
<lepton> billh xdm probably
<nevyn> genuinefafa: so do I it's not availible to you yet. (vi that is)
<genuinefafa> DONE :)
<d00d> giraffe: the site?
<giraffe> d00d: it wants a new version of pixbuf or something, did you get that error ?
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<Metrix> d00d, yeah
<Metrix> d00d, but there arre so many options
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<d00d> giraffe: i recommend galeon, i had to chill when i first tried it
<Metrix> i dont know which ones not to enable
<deksels> billh: the ascii one right?
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<nevyn> ok did it say ethernet nic at 0x280 irq blah enabled ok genuinefafa ?
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<billh> deksels yes.
<Metrix> when i leave one out
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<Capkirk> where can i read about howto set up a debian mirror_
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<genuinefafa> vi is the most standard tool ever!! Why is not avail :)
<Metrix> it usually does not work
<billh> lepton the ascii one...
<billh> deksels yeah, I can't remember the package name
<ndee> deksels: my MAIL variable is empty, shall I re-export it?
<Capkirk> ?
<d00d> giraffe: no, maybe you should file a bug report
<neil> genuineafa: nvi
<Zomb> giraffe: it is my site, why?
<d00d> genuinefafa: apt-get install vim
<Capkirk> where can i read about howto set up a debian mirror?
<nevyn> genuinefafa: as far as i can tell.. the emacs guys would have bitched.
<nevyn> :)
<deksels> ndee: who knows, don't know anything about exim, might work
<lepton> billh what? I've never seen an ascii debian logo
<giraffe> Zomb: cool - its just complaining about pixbuf or something, how do i fix that ?
<genuinefafa> nnnnn {PnP ISA Ethernet Adapter}: port 0x280: IRQ11 --- Enabled OK
<guruman> sebras: you gone?
<billh> lepton yeah, there's glued to a login prompt.
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<Zomb> giraffe: use the apt-sources lines on the site and let apt-get manage it
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<deksels> billb: can't remember...would have to turn on an old box lying on my couch :)
<calyth> what is the key combos again to change the res in x? this laptop keymapping can drive me crazy
<billh> lepton I'm looking for that one...
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<billh> deksels hehe
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<giraffe> Zomb: oh really ?
<DaMasta> is there a package to add java support to mozilla?
<billh> I thought it was linuxlogo for a moment.
<genuinefafa> what shall I do now?
<billh> but it isn't
<d00d> Capkirk: looking for it
<Zomb> giraffe: that is why I wrote them there
<neil> calyth: ctrl-alt-num+ ctrl-alt-num-
<calyth> thanks neil
<nevyn> ok
<nevyn> now press alt F1
<giraffe> Zomb: i dont see pixbuf on your site
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<nevyn> and now you know the irq and IO address of the card it should be pretty easy...
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<genuinefafa> yep
<sebras> guruman: nope... just went to another room... say again.
<Zomb> giraffe: it is in SID
<genuinefafa> i should, but nothing IS in Linux :)=
<deksels> billb: linuxlogo ?
<nevyn> go to configure device driver modules.
<BuNdE> ILWM !!!
<BuNdE> grrrr
<Oryn> DaMasta: its a case of grabing java runtime from sun or ibm
<Zomb> giraffe: USE APT
<BuNdE> man that guy sure sleeps long
<nevyn> if you're not there
<nevyn> and select net
<giraffe> zomb ??
<nevyn> then ne
<nevyn> then type
<d00d> Capkirk: http://cdimage.debian.org/ch4.html
<billh> deksels it was linuxlogo, but configure for the "login" option.
<DaMasta> Oryn: packages or their binaries? i think i already have the ibm jdk
<Zomb> giraffe: man sources.list
<giraffe> Zomb: i tried apt-get install pixbuf (or whatever its called) and it said i already have the latest version 0.31
<Zomb> giraffe: man eyes, keyword: open
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<nevyn> io=0x280 irq=10 (or whatever the parameters are)
<guruman> sebras: but it also says custom keycode disabled
<giraffe> Zomb: are you here to help or what ? :)
<Oryn> DaMasta: if you have the jdk, then all you have to do is make a link
<nevyn> btw Xchat just crashed on me.
<giraffe> forget it ... i'll wait for sid to update :(
<genuinefafa> DONE! :) Network adapter installed sucesfull :)
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<guruman> sebras: but i cant use aao in tty either.
<sebras> guruman: So do I, don't why why though...
<Metrix> what is the best dvd player for linux, that can play encrypted dvd's and use menus
<deksels> billb: dunno..put it in motd :)
<DaMasta> Oryn arite cool...ill try to find the dirs...thanks
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<sebras> guruman: aao?
<nevyn> genuinefafa: sweet.
<Zomb> giraffe: use apt source lines - which part do you not understand?
<nevyn> btw this will work now when you go into second stage install
<genuinefafa> nevyn: really seet :) I like debian :)
<giraffe> Zomb: do i have to re apt-get install update ?
<guruman> sebras: the swedish chars ..
<giraffe> Zomb: do i use your line at the top or bottom ?
<deksels> genuinefafa: wait until you screw up the apt system :)
<genuinefafa> nevyn, now teach me how to install a NE2000 compatible adapter, but PCI, is that possible?
<calyth> yay... i finally get x running on this thing... gotta set up some more packages ;)
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<nevyn> genuinefafa: pci is dead simple
<deksels> genuinefafa: you'll be crying :P
<nevyn> modconf
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<nevyn> select net
<Zomb> giraffe: add deb http://people.debian.org/~blade/testing/ ./
<nevyn> then select ne2k-pci
<nevyn> tthat's IT
<Oryn> DaMasta: I have done this javaplugin_oji.so -> /usr/local/java2/plugin/i386/ns600/libjavaplugin_oji.so
<Zomb> to the sources.list files, run apt-get update, apt-get install galeon
<neil> genuineafa: the ne2k-pci driver autodetects the card for you.
<DaMasta> Oryn: thanks man
<Oryn> javaplugin_oji.so lives in the mozilla/plugins dir
<tbrock> can someone help me witha sound problem
<giraffe> Zomb: to the top or bottom of file zomb ?
<giraffe> zomb; im just being careful cause im on a crappy modem :)
<Zomb> giraffe: which file?
<nevyn> isa pnp is just.. hairy in 2.2
<Metrix> what is the best dvd player for linux, that can play encrypted dvd's and use menus
<Zomb> giraffe: try reading first
<nevyn> Metrix: as far as I can tell..
<giraffe> Zomb: the line, add it to top or bottom of sources.list
<nevyn> you can have one or the other but not both :)
<DaMasta> Oryn: what did you have installed? ibm or sun's jdk?
<Zomb> giraffe: apt gives a fuck on the order
<BuNdE> anyone know the *.dyndns.org for ILWM grand moms PC ?
<BuNdE> I forgot it :(
<xk> HO HO HO
<BuNdE> lame me
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<giraffe> Zomb: fuck off, it says 'add it to your file' .. i want to know if i should place the line at the top or bottom of sources.list
<BuNdE> hmm
<BuNdE> calm down
<giraffe> *temper*
<BuNdE> ;-/
<Oryn> DaMasta: not sure, it came from netscape, look for the mozilla dir
<Zomb> giraffe: calm down. I cannot put the complete apt-howto on the side. READ THE APT-HOWTO FIRST. End-of-discussion.
<giraffe> hehe okay
<giraffe> sorry zomb :)
<DaMasta> Oryn: oh you are using netscape 6?
<Metrix> nevyn?
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<Metrix> as far as you can tell?
<giraffe> i just dont know if im supposed to make your line a priority (at the top of source.list) or not ..
<guruman> sebras: you have any idea of what to do?
<lepton> giraffe rtfm: list sources in order of preference
<Oryn> DaMasta: no I'm running the nightly mozilla
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<DaMasta> Oryn: i can't find the /usr/local/java2 dir...hmm...ill get back to you in a moment
<sebras> guruman: sorry my client is dying... gotta go...guruman: my xf86.log mentions
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<giraffe> lepton: well i was wondering what zomb wanted me to do with HIS deb line
<Oryn> DaMasta: urm find your jdk dir and use that
<giraffe> lepton: i know there's a priority from top to bottom
<genuinefafa> I love u people!!
<genuinefafa> Im crying now!!!
<genuinefafa> Its downloading!!!!!
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<Metrix> hi
<cs1m0nm> Hey.
<billh> Is Xfree 4.1 in sid ?
<Metrix> i am building me kernel
<giraffe> genuinefafa: what did you do ? :)
<Metrix> my kernel
<billh> If so, then how do I install it ?
<giraffe> Metrix: good luck :)
<Oryn> billh: yup
<Metrix> but am not sure what i should have as modules
<Metrix> and what i should not
<Oryn> billh: x4.1.0.1
<d00d> Metrix: also take care to use make-kpkg
<Metrix> make-kpkg?
<d00d> Metrix: it's the standard in debian
<billh> Oryn is that also the package name ?
<deksels> moan. "test -e file" gives false if file exists but is symlink
<d00d> Metrix: "info make-kpkg" should help
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<genuinefafa> giraffe: I am downloading the installation!! Its working, finnaly, with a P166 with 32mb ram.
<giraffe> why is make-kpkg so strongly recommended ? i have never used it
<Oryn> billh, urm try x-window-system
<genuinefafa> not even mandrake install that...
<tbrock> after making changes to modules.conf, how do you update the changes
<genuinefafa> :)
<genuinefafa> with a isapnp card.
<tbrock> ....
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<giraffe> genuinefafa: but, you mean you just got a network card installed right ? to another machine or a cable modem ?
<tbrock> what is the command to configure enlightenment
<d00d> Metrix: at a glance: make menuconfig; make dep && make-kpkg clean kernel_headers kernel_image will produce packages of linux
<genuinefafa> giraffe: yes. Another machine with a proxy server on it.
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<Oryn> genuinefafa: I have debian running on a 486 with 20meg :)
<genuinefafa> giraffe: yes, its downloading the files, and its working great.
<genuinefafa> Oryn: Debian is cool
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<giraffe> genuinefafa: cool .. so was it a bitch to get the card running ? :)
<billh> Oryn thanks.
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<giraffe> Oryn: 20mb of hd ? or ram ? :)
<genuinefafa> giraffe: yes, but nevyn teach me how to install it, and is SOOOO simple...
<genuinefafa> Windows is harder :)
<Peppy> what's a good raid chunk size for quantum 60gb drives?
<giraffe> genuinefafa: cool ! :)
<billh> Oryn yeah, I just blew out my / partition a couple of days ago and I'm trying to get this machine back up so that I can do development again. ;-)
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<deksels> lol
<nevyn> genuinefafa: it's hardly simple :)
<genuinefafa> nevyn: yes, IT IS
<giraffe> nev ?
<nevyn> isapnp is nasty
<deksels> like the time i wanted to remove a mountpoint using rm -rf only the mountpoint was still used :)
<genuinefafa> I have another question for u....
<nevyn> mmm
<Peppy> what's a good raid chunk size for quantum 60gb drives?
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<nevyn> how much cache is on them?
<genuinefafa> may I start a boot disk (only 1 disk) with tcpip support and telnet, just that?
<xk> Heh, he's using mirc :)
<nevyn> genuinefafa: there's more featured boot disks around that also have vi etc on them
<nevyn> grep
<giraffe> man i'm so sick of that damn woman from 'pretty woman' -> what's her name ? she makes like 10 movies a year .. most of them are totally crap .. and everyone just eats it up and loves her, she probably even hates her own movies .. >8[ ... tom hanks rocks :P
<nevyn> grep is very handy
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<giraffe> tom hanks makes some quality shit ;(
<nevyn> julia roberts
<nevyn> she's hot tho
<gp-> hihi
<giraffe> yeh .. her >8[
<tbrock> can someone tell me how to configure enlightenment
<gp-> ecks
<rule> Hello folks, I'm wondering about serial port name conventions.. am I right in assuming that ports reported by kernel (dmesg) ttyS00 is accessed through /dev/ttyS0 ?
<tbrock> i can't seem to run the config tool
<giraffe> she's ancient .. she isnt hot ;)
<netgod> rules: yes
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<giraffe> she's like 35 or something eh ?
<rule> netgod: cheers
<nevyn> giraffe: true beauty is timeless
<netgod> you know youre getting old when that sounds good
<giraffe> 35 is not hot .. 18-25 is hot :)
<d00d> anyone knows apt? (the bot)
<giraffe> nevyn: okay, you're obviously a fan ;)
<nevyn> giraffe: nah I'm just married to an older woman.
<d00d> how can i use s%foo%bar% on a factoid?
<giraffe> hehe netgod
<gp-> nevyn: does moonet.org ring a bell?
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<nevyn> it's the " self protection " system
<genuinefafa> navyn: where can i get it? do u know? I must configure it first, to aknowledge the network card off course
<xk> d00d: blah =~ s/blah/blah/
<giraffe> nevyn: married ! ack :) ..
<nevyn> moonet.org?
<nevyn> it's good tho
<Peppy> someone please - i need a chunk size for a 2x60gb software raid0
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<d00d> heh xk! yeah you must know about it :)
<nevyn> genuinefafa: tom's root boot should do the trick
<LoRez> Peppy: just pick one
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<Asher> what dvd playing software is debianized?
<genuinefafa> nevyn: where can i get it?
<tbrock> what is the command to invoke the econfig
<giraffe> these one-floppy-disk-linux-servers .. are they reliable ? do they actually work ? i dont know much about them .. but are they actually reliable or just completely silly / totally lacking in features / a bitch to install
<LoRez> Peppy: it depends more on what you're doing w/ it than anything else
<Peppy> LoRez: what is best performance wise?
<nevyn> genuinefafa: google for it yourself. :)
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<Peppy> LoRez: file serving using xfs to 30-60 ppl at once 500mb files
<d00d> xk: looks like it doesn't work with % but only with /
<genuinefafa> LOL}
<DaMasta> Oryn i've checked /usr/lib/ibm-java and /usr/lib/jdk1.1... both dirs have bin/lib/include dirs but none of them have any plugins subdirectories
<genuinefafa> nevyn
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<DaMasta> Oryn can you think of other places to look?
<xk> d00d: Hrm... Ok, I'll add support for %
<nevyn> apt google "tom's root boot"
<apt> nevyn: no idea
<giraffe> do the nvidia drivers support antialiasing in linux ?
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<genuinefafa> http://www.toms.net/rb/
<nevyn> giraffe: I think so.
<LoRez> Peppy: I'd think as big as it'd let you for that. probably wouldn't hurt to try a few w/ your clients beating on it to see which is best though.
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<Oryn> DaMasta: hmm thats not good, I've always had plugin dir with mine
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<genuinefafa> wtf, Debian doesnt have Argentina TimeZone!!!!!!!!!!! Im mad
<lepton> www.toms.net/rb/
<Peppy> LoRez: where should i start? 64? 128?
<giraffe> nevyn: any ideas on how to enable it ? :)
<xk> highly doubt I can find the code ;)
<xk> apt: google for shit
<apt> google can't find shit
<DaMasta> Oryn bah ill just go install the plugins via netscape's smart install...or whatever is autodownloading that plugin for me atm ;-)
<LoRez> Peppy: if you're going to test them, start w/ either. if not, go for 128
<Peppy> LoRez: thanks :)
<tbrock> please could someone tell me what the config tool for enlightenment is called
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<tbrock> please
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<VerxHome> re all
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<nevyn> giraffe: not a clue.
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<Oryn> DaMasta: if you have the bandwidth then do it :)
<giraffe> nevyn: okie
<nevyn> giraffe: it should justhappen
<VerxHome> anyone here particularly familiar with "ipmasqadm portfw"? I need some help, it looks like it is broken or something
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<gp-> xk: how goes it ?
<giraffe> nevyn: really ? in windows it's an option .. off, 2x and 4x
<DaMasta> Oryn: speaking of which..,
<deksels> finally i can compile squelch...bloody libqt..
<DaMasta> anyone know a really fast debian mirror for a canadian brotha living near toronto?
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<Oryn> VerxHome: I was going to learn about it, but then it all changed to iptables
<CodeRed> giraffe: Man pages tell you. It's an environment variable.
<VerxHome> oryn: I am not on 2.4.x tho
<DaMasta> http.us.debian.org used to give me 270k ALL the time...but now its slowed down pretty bad...
<VerxHome> so I don't have iptables
<giraffe> CodeRed: oh yeh ?
<giraffe> CodeRed: thanks :)
<CodeRed> giraffe: Give me a second to look it up (well more then 1 second :)
<giraffe> CodeRed: i dont have ANY man pages on my debian system, i dont know why
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<deksels> lol!
<d00d> you CodeRed! stop wasting with my diskspace in /var/log/apache!
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<Oryn> giraffe: apt-get install man-db groff
<nevyn> d00d: rofl
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<nevyn> tad late tho
<tbrock> bah
<d00d> giraffe: apt-get install manpages
<MessageDrivenBean> lo all
<MessageDrivenBean> bash question
<nevyn> mmm
<nevyn> shoot
<MessageDrivenBean> I ofter see lines like this:
<Oryn> d00d: you'll find its mostly nimda
<MessageDrivenBean> <do something usefull> || :
<MessageDrivenBean> Why do they append the '|| :' part?
<d00d> Oryn: ya, but i already told her last week
<giraffe> deksels: ??
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<CodeRed> d00d: ?? I'm not the crackpipe that made that.
<deksels> giraffe: !!
<nevyn> || is logical or?
<Oryn> apt, tell dood about nimda judo
<MessageDrivenBean> nevyn: yez.
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<giraffe> deksels: ?
<nevyn> what's the significance of : to bsh?
<MessageDrivenBean> Let me get a real example, hold on.
<Metrix> how do i echo a terminal?
<Oryn> d00d: found it worked for me
<nevyn> cat /dev/ttyblah
<CodeRed> I am a low user # as CodeRed on /. Like the first 5000 or so to register.
<d00d> MessageDrivenBean: it's equivalent to 'true'
<deksels> MessageDrivenBean: perhaps to have a 0 exitcode
<nevyn> Metrix: gotta be root or the owner of the terminal
<Metrix> nevyn, and will that show what is being typed on the terminal?
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<Metrix> i want to see what people are tying
<nevyn> Metrix: kinda
<MessageDrivenBean> > /sbin/insmod --force /lib/modules/usb/pwcx-i386.o >/dev/null 2>&1 || :
<Metrix> if they are connected to me with telnet
<nevyn> it'll show the RAW terminal input/output
<d00d> MessageDrivenBean: foo || bar means that the resulting command's logic value is a logical OR between foo and bar
<BuNdE> hmm
<Metrix> nevyn, what do you mean raw?
<BuNdE> where do I get the net-bootdisk image ?
<MessageDrivenBean> d00d: I know, but why this ':' thingy?
<ignictnoc> MessageDrivenBean: that's from a startup script?
<d00d> MessageDrivenBean: see "info bash"
<Metrix> whatis foobar
<Metrix> why is foo always used?
<critch> Is anyone noticeing spontanious restarts of gnome in recent unstable builds?
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<deksels> MessageDrivenBean: do 'man :'
<Metrix> why not meh?
<d00d> apt tell Metrix about foo
<CodeRed> giraffe: Here!! http://www.penguinpower.nl/pcontent/nvidia-fsaa.php
<MessageDrivenBean> No manual entry for ':'
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<nevyn> Metrix: the command codes as well as the text
<Oryn> BuNdE: http.us.debian.org
<d00d> MessageDrivenBean: it doesn't matter, it just does the same as /bin/true
<BuNdE> then where >?
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<deksels> MessageDrivenBean: : [arguments]
<deksels> No effect; the command does nothing beyond expand­
<deksels> ing arguments and performing any specified redirec­
<deksels> tions. A zero exit code is returned.
<MessageDrivenBean> d00d: ah, ok, ic
<CodeRed> giraffe: I didn't have the HTML on my hd either <G>
<ignictnoc> chances are it's as deksels says -- ':' is a non command that returns '0'
<giraffe> thanks CodeRed :)
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<Oryn> BuNdE: look under dists/binary-i386/disks (I think)
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<ignictnoc> there it is.
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<MessageDrivenBean> thnx all!
<deksels> ignictnoc: but it would make more sense if it were /bin/true
<MessageDrivenBean> by
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<BuNdE> ah ok
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<ignictnoc> deksels: yeah... shorthand, i guess.
<deksels> wait a minute: 0 exitcode == false, right?
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<BuNdE> nah
<BuNdE> not there
<ignictnoc> deksels: 0 == false, but 0 exit code == success
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<BuNdE> im on ftp.fr.debian.org
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<ignictnoc> think of a 0 exit code as a response to "Did anything break?"
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<kiza> anyone from .hu here (or know how to read hungarian)?
<Oryn> exit
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<BuNdE> disks-i386/current/
<deksels> ignictnoc: ah ok
<Oryn> oops wrong screen :)
<Mawbid_> kiza: I can read Hungarian notation. does that count?
<BuNdE> then images-1.44 ?
<kiza> Mawbid, not really =) i need to get two lines of text translated, i got a christmas card from a friend.. =)
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<genuinefafa> Well... well...
<lepton> kiza have u tried the babelfish?
<genuinefafa> Im having problems again, please help here
<kiza> maybe the message will reveal itself after appropriate use of rot13 =)
<kiza> lepton, i tried intertran or something but that web page didn't respond when i posted the text..
<kiza> does babelfish do .hu ?
<genuinefafa> is possible that the PnP configuration was not permanent?
<kiza> i'll look
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<deksels> ignictnoc: ah ok. so actually 0 is true, non0 is false
<dbron> Hi all, If I use netstat -a, some of the hostnames are truncated. Is there a way to get that not to happen?
<Mawbid_> kiza: there's bound to be an online hungarian->english dictionary. Unless the card contains wordplay, you'll get the gist of it :-)
<xk> yer, it's the other way around.
<neil> geniunefafa: PnP configuration is done at each boot
<kiza> mawbid, i only found one and it ain't responding :(
<xk> 0 == good, 1 == bad.
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<critch> Is anyone using Gnome in the unstable release?
<VerxHome> xk: !0 == bad
<AnubisDS> anyone know about tunneling win2k -> linux?
<kiza> anubis, what do you mean tunneling ?
<AnubisDS> VPN Tunneling
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<kiza> anubis, i've done vpn from a win98 behind a linux iptables nat
<neil> AnubisDS: you need to read-up on IPSec
<AnubisDS> humm
<AnubisDS> IPSec can do it?
<AnubisDS> k thanks
<AnubisDS> I was just wondering what protocol would talk w/ windows
<VerxHome> ipsec IS VPN
<VerxHome> :)
<VerxHome> or, another way, VPN IS ipsec
<AnubisDS> humm
<AnubisDS> so wait
<neil> AnubisDS: i think IPSec is the protocol Win supports for tunnelling
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<JdW> AnubisDS, VerxHome is not exactly right you can have VPN and IPSEC.
<ignictnoc> deksels: well, C uses int's as shorthad for boolean values, but i don't think bash does
<JdW> They are different things
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<VerxHome> VPN is an implementation of IPSEC
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<AnubisDS> would that securely send traffic from a comp in VA to a comp in MD?
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<deksels> ignictnoc: yeah think bash has the inverse of c
<AnubisDS> i'm trying to create a secure tunnel for samba mounts
<AnubisDS> for remote programming
<VerxHome> anubisDS: Yes
<jentol> how to check if i got portsentry's going?
<JdW> AnubisDS, Do want to make a VPN connection to a Linux box or through a linux box ?
<Oryn> AnubisDS: windows vpn uses pptp you can get a package called pptpd (poptop) and some code to compile against your kernel that will deal with mschap and 128bit security
<AnubisDS> k thats exactly what I need
<AnubisDS> I want it from a linux box to a windows box
<AnubisDS> or vice versa
<Zomb> Oryn: or you can use tinc/vtund/ oder others user-space vpn
<Zomb> Oryn: or pppd over an ssh-tunnel
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<AnubisDS> humm
<ignictnoc> deksels: but i think the reason for 0 exit code being success is passed up from some deep dark things happening at the level of the scheduler... aside from making sense.
<robster> use FreeS/WAN
<AnubisDS> vtund can talk w/ windows?
<Oryn> Zomb: yea but that doesn't work with winbloes
<kiza> but ppp-over-ssh gives really bad performance, congestion control etc. works against you.
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<robster> there was an article in linux journal about using FreeS/WAN
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<critch> ignictnoc: 0 is success becuase nothing went wrong, other than 0 is error, and tells what went wrong by what bits are set.
<Oryn> has enyone ever managed to get nfs to work over ssh?
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<robster> Oryn: nfs is USP
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<robster> ssh can only tunnel TCP
<guruman> anyone in here got swedish keyboard layout in X ( 4 ) .. i can type swedish chars in the tty but i cant see them in filenames .. and i cant see/type them in X. Anyone know how to fix this?
<robster> you will e
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<critch> Oryn: if you have ssh, why not scp instead of nfs?
<robster> need to use something like tinc or something.
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<ignictnoc> critch: yeah, i was trying to remember the reason *why* that's the case.
<AnubisDS> there should be an smount protocol :/
<ignictnoc> historically. not that it's important really ;)
<Zomb> Oryn: and pptp is not secure
<neil__> ignictnoc: historically, 0 was success, -ve was system error returns and +ve was application status return
<Zomb> Oryn: fress/wan may be compatible
<genuinefafa> how may I do the Ne2000 to work again?
<deksels> ignictnoc: some old ppl talking about old days...I'm gonna get the hell outta here :D
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